Max Kenner recently sat down with Brent Orrell of the Hardly Working podcast to talk about BPI and the value of a liberal arts education in the 21st century. Listen here as they explore how higher education has largely failed to identify capacity wherever it may be and create pathways to college across age groups and life experiences. They also talk about how recidivism is a product of racist social policy rather than a problem of desistance and how incarcerated students find inspiration in courses across disciplines and the span of human knowledge and inquiry.